What I wish I knew then, Ubuntu can actually have its boot loader on the motherboard because of how UEFI works which is all new to me, I hope I have that right. So I thought I had broken my windows install for a while as no OS found. It is in the bios to change between the different types. After all of that secure boot needs to be turned off.
Solution which worked best for me has been hyper V, selecting a gen 2 machine having added a graphics card and networking makes it much more useful. The networking takes a bit of fiddling as it has to be set to use a switch with external access, assuming network access is required.
Ubuntu after all of this was giving me a hard time lots of scrolling error messages, SUSE worked just as is, it only complains about the pci not having any configurable space.
I am quite happy playing with the terminal, handy tip which would have been useful to me years ago, when video files used to be shared in multiple parts you can join them together with the cat command unlike my erm friend who would play each file in turn.
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